What is the identification of this plant?

[Felix]

Hello I recently bought this plant from a local plant nursery and it flowered. I was wondering what was the identification so I did some research and found that it looked like a myrmephytum selebicum or beccarii. There is only one problem, the flower of my plant has 5 petals instead of 6 like for these species. Here is the plant and the flower:

Also is there a way I could make seeds with only one flower?

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

Myrmephytum selebicum, that’s a plant that I supply the garden centers….did you bought it there?

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

I guess you bought this one?

 

[Felix]

I guess you bought this one?


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I don’t think the plant was from you, it came in a large green round pot and it didn’t a sticker with your name.

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

I don’t think the plant was from you, it came in a large green round pot and it didn’t a sticker with your name.

Ok it looks very similar to the species I sell. Did you put that orchid bark yourself or it was in the green pot?

 

[Felix]

Ok it looks very similar to the species I sell. Did you put that orchid bark yourself or it was in the green pot?

It was in orchid bark when I bought it and when I reported it I used some of the original bark pieces and some I already had to fill the pot completely. But yeah it really resembles the ones you sell.

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

It was in orchid bark when I bought it and when I reported it I used some of the original bark pieces and some I already had to fill the pot completely. But yeah it really resembles the ones you sell.

Ok I will check when mine will flower and see if they have 5 or 6 petals

 

[jeff]

in fact the myrmephytum normally has blue flowers with 6 petals, after a problem may have arisen

we can make the difference between the petiole for selebicum 0.2-0.5 cm ; leathery bracts 2cm de long , 1cm wide at base, inner bracts shorter, thinner and rufous hairy --for beccarii petiole 3-5cm ,bracts to 1.5cm leathery, broadly triangular

I would go for a beccarii

in the rubiaceae family only an anthorrhiza caerulae has blue flowers but does not look like yours at all and I don't think it is marketed

 

[Felix]

in fact the myrmephytum normally has blue flowers with 6 petals, after a problem may have arisen

we can make the difference between the petiole for selebicum 0.2-0.5 cm ; leathery bracts 2cm de long , 1cm wide at base, inner bracts shorter, thinner and rufous hairy --for beccarii petiole 3-5cm ,bracts to 1.5cm leathery, broadly triangular

I would go for a beccarii

in the rubiaceae family only an anthorrhiza caerulae has blue flowers but does not look like yours at all and I don't think it is marketed

Alright, beccarii it is. thank you for the help!

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

Strange because the way the stems are and the position of the leaves, it’s more like a myrmephytum selebicum, I put my 2 pictures below, the one that Felix have ressemble more to the first picture…unless I need more coffee lolllll

Myrmephytum selebicum

Myrmecodia beccarii

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

Also look at the leaves, the selebicum leaves have wavy outline and the beccarii leaves have no wavy outline

 

[jeff]

see also fruit
for selebicum: 2-4 cm long, cylindrical, pinkish red
for beccarii: 1cm ovoid or ellipsoid yellowish red

they are nevertheless adult species quite close from the morphological point of view, only small differences can differentiate

Do we know the provenance of all these copies?

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

see also fruit
for selebicum: 2-4 cm long, cylindrical, pinkish red
for beccarii: 1cm ovoid or ellipsoid yellowish red

Do you still think it’s a beccarii with the picture above? I’m trying to sort this out because there’s a big difference physically between them.

 

[jeff]

to see when all this beautiful people will be adults with inflorescences note that in the phillipines there are few intermediaries between the 2 species

see here a shall we say M.beccarii sp from antimora (quezon) phillipines from my friend WISTUBA

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

to see when all this beautiful people will be adults with inflorescences note that in the phillipines there are few intermediaries between the 2 species

see here a shall we say M.beccarii sp from antimora (quezon) phillipines from my friend WISTUBA
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Hum something is wrong because I went to see from Australia government Myrmecodia beccarii species which is native overthere and it’s completely different from your picture….I tend to trust the Australia government information https://www.anbg.gov.au/gnp/interns-2004/myrmecodia-beccarii.html

The beccarii grows leaves lower than the selebicum which grows tall stems like in your picture. I believe there’s an error in the identification as I looked at many website and the plant which Felix have is more likely something close to the selebicum…still trying to figure out why Andreas labelled that one a beccarri when most of the pictures in the internet concur with the selebicum???

Anyone want to comment….does anyone see what I’m meaning?

 

[Lloyd Gordon]

Nice plants anyway.

 

[jeff]

in the rubiaceae family there are 5 genera: hydnophytum; myrmecodia, anthorrhiza, myrmephytum, squamellaria
do not confuse myrmecodia and myrmephytum although one species of both has the same name beccarii.
-the myrmecodia beccarii which is actually mainly Australian and which has a flower with a white corolla and pink fruits
-the myrmephytum beccarii which is from the philippines with blue flowers and yellowish red fruits which is very similar to myrmephytum selebicum which is from the phillipines and from sulawesi ((indonesia). It seems that there are also intermediate species between these 2 species.

note that in the genus myrmecodia there are known 52 species
for the myrmephytum there are known only 5 species for the moment with perhaps intermediate species or even new ones to describe and discover.

selebicum; beccarii; moniliforme; arfakianum; naumannii

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

in the rubiaceae family there are 5 genera: hydnophytum; myrmecodia, anthorrhiza, myrmephytum, squamellaria
do not confuse myrmecodia and myrmephytum although one species of both has the same name beccarii.
-the myrmecodia beccarii which is actually mainly Australian and which has a flower with a white corolla and pink fruits
-the myrmephytum beccarii which is from the philippines with blue flowers and yellowish red fruits which is very similar to myrmephytum selebicum which is from the phillipines and from sulawesi ((indonesia). It seems that there are also intermediate species between these 2 species.

note that in the genus myrmecodia there are known 52 species
for the myrmephytum there are known only 5 species for the moment with perhaps intermediate species or even new ones to describe and discover.

selebicum; beccarii; moniliforme; arfakianum; naumannii

Haaaaa ok now it’s more clear thanks!

So it’s close to a myrmephytum beccarii what Felix have.

The ones I sell are myrmecodia beccarii and myrmephytum selebicum. So myrmephytum beccarii and myrmecodia beccarii are two different species.

Thanks for that great explanation!

 

[jeff]

yes 2 different genus .

Felix have may be a myrmephytum beccarii or a myrmephytum selebicum , these are 2 species quite close, the differences are made on the points that I have stated above

see my web site ,not exhaustive, on these rubiaceae http://fern72.free.fr/siteweb/rub.html in french desolate