So many Cultivars

WillyCKH

CPSC Moderator
Staff member
I'm not a VFT or plant expert, but from what I've read in books and articles, VFTs are all unique.
Self-ing a cultivar will not produce the same cultivar VFT with the new seeds, the seedlings will all be Dionaea muscipula 'type'.
Cultivars can only be cloned by vegetative methods.
You might be surprised but actually it is true for plants like D. capensis which is self-pollinating. The babies will be genetically unique and different from the Mom.
Just my 2 cents, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Willy
 

Amanito Virosa

Carnivore
Yeah, VFT kinda feels like a cool collectible on certain regard. There is many approach to it and who are we to judge. Like Justin, I rather get VFTs seeds than cultivar but if you like them, I’m fine with that. There’s a VFT for everyone :);)
...just curious Samswatch, how many Flytraps are you currently growing and what are your plans for their impending dormancy???
AV.
 

Samskwatch

Carnivorous Plant Addict
I' grow two VFT right now and I plan on using the fridge method. Right now, they're siting on a windowsill that's facing S-SW and the window is always opened by an inch or so. That way, they still get a feel of the outside temperature.

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Amanito Virosa

Carnivore
...With all due respect, I took offense to your 'cool collectible' comment. This statement undermines all goings on here at the Flytrap Factory !!! You sir, are obviously of limited experience. Until you acquire said experience I would suggest to you not to post such statements in threads that are beyond your growing knowledge. The idea here is not to post fluff just to get your post count high. Thanks for reading.
AV
 

Samskwatch

Carnivorous Plant Addict
My bad AV. Did not say that to offend you. I am sorry that I did. You are indeed a far more experienced VFT grower than I am. You have without a doubt an impressive variety of specimen and I do not wish to undermine any of your work. You're opinion is officially based on a far more vast experienced than mine. I hope that we can keep sharing our thoughts and opinions even though they are different and obviously not based on the same amounts of facts.

As I said, I'm sorry that I offended you and apologize to you AV.
 

Eric

Carnivore
Cultivars can only be cloned by vegetative methods.
There are in fact a few cultivars that can be propagated from seed, e.g. Darlingtonia 'Othello', Dionaea 'Justina Davis', Drosera 'Albino', N. 'Lake Poso', and Sarracenia 'Hurricane Creek White'. The resulting plants have to match the original cultivar description. Plants that look different must not be named as such. This can be problematic, unless it's a single character that defines the cultivar like being "all green = anthocyanine free". But then there might be completely unrelated plants that have the same name. So soon people will come up with an all green giant form or a deformed one. To add to the confusion, some people like to give each new "all green" plant a different scientific name. Botanically this would be rather a form than a variety, e.g. f.heterophylla, f.pallidiflora, f.viridiflora, f.viridescens, f. luteola, f.luteoviridis, etc..

Both var. and f. are taxa (groups within natural populations below the ranks sp. and subsp.). They sometimes do breed true from seed. But often they are not pure and part of the offspring might rather look like another var. , even when selfed. Cultivars (cultivated varieties corresponding to var. and f.) are identified within cultivated plants, registered and published (e.g. in CPN). There are a lot of named, but unregistered plants passed around. Cultivars are correctly written with the name in single quote ('cultivar name'), whereas plants selected as potential future cultivars are written with double quotes ("fancy name or text here").

In the CP world cultivars that can be grown from seed are the exception. People like to get the real deal, so the only best way to propagate cultivars is leaf cuttings or divisions. To get a cultivar into in vitro cultivation you either need to sterilise leaf tissue or you have to create your own, new cultivar by selecting lots of seed grown in vitro. You like to grow CPs from seed? Great! But do not give the offspring the parents cultivar name, because this causes endless confusion. Please do note on the label something like "'cultivar name' selfed". Do not label it "typical" either, even if it looks quite average, because many VFT cultivars are highly inbred and some of them are really sick plants. For me typical VFTs are a mix of all kind of forms that usually occur naturally. Offspring of cultivars will carry rare gene mutations that give rise to red plants, deformed teeth or traps. Unfortunately, there are sellers that offer seed of cultivars that have been selfed. Few of them bother to prevent open pollination. People hope the offspring will look similar, but VFTs are known to vary more in their offspring than e.g. Sarracenia, which are more predictable. Seed of different cultivars/clones that have been cross pollinated will probably (but not necessarily) result in healthier and more variable plants. Selfing plants and selecting can help to get pure genetics and stabilize traits when reproduced from seed, but it may also lead to an inbreeding depression = weak plants.
 

meateater

Carnivore
Reading posts here is better than random googling!
So if my bought-from-big-box-store VFT flowers and produced seeds, the plants grown from those seeds might look different? I see random small VFT pop up from no where but I don't see much significant difference. Some has bigger traps but I thought that was due to longer/stronger sunlight and better nutrition... (?)
 

H2O

Administrator
Staff member
As a whole, the seed collected from a plant will looks closer to that plant. If you collect from a red plant, you'll have higher chances for red, if you collect from an upright form you'll get more with upright traps. But really you can anything out of random mutations.
 

Samskwatch

Carnivorous Plant Addict
Hi Jessy!! You should look in the sale section of this forum. You will see many kinds of seeds available there.
 

CP_loverrr

Carnivore
A little late on this thread,
I personally love every cultivar available, and most of my larger specimen plants of "malfunction" flytraps can close their traps and digest insects quite efficiently.
The only cultivar that I can tell that is having trouble is "Angle wings"

I have Fused tooth, werewolf, pom pom, mirror...
 

Jonathan

Carnivorous Plant Addict
I don't understand how some people don't like Natural traits in VFT's. Look at Wacky Traps cultivar. It just looks stupid imo. With unnatural traits being produced through TC destroys the integrity of VFT's. I'm a pure naturallist when it comes to animals and plants. I like non altered genes by man in my collections. If there is a natural hybrid of a Nepenthes or something that is in the wild I am all for it but not man made gene altering.
 
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