Ping problems...

[Zimmey]

I got some lovely pings from @Smilodonichthys but I lost one already (in the middle of the 3), and now the others seem to be unhappy in my outdoor bog.

I'm leaning toward bringing them inside and putting them under lights... the leaves are starting to look transparent with brown edges.

The ping in the other barrel don't appear to be super happy either. We've had an unseasonably cold April.. just worried about losing them.

Thoughts?

Everything else seems to be slowly coming out of dormancy nicely.. sundews are starting to open up, sarrs looks good, vft showing growth, everything else is showing some sign of growth.

I've tried to make sure the pings have a bit of shade via the Sarrs, and the spot south facing, with partial shade during the mid day, so they shouldn't be getting too much sun.

 

[Lloyd Gordon]

The sand could be reflecting a lot of uv onto the plants.

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

For temperate Pinguicula like your P. Grandiflora, they like a substrate that is less rocky like simply peat moss and perlite (same as Drosera Rotundifolia), they love acidic soil. Mexican Pinguicula love more rocky substrate like pumice,perlite,sand,etc.

The temperate Pinguicula should produce a cone-shaped hibernacula in order to rest and survive winter. Like the Drosera Rotundiflolia. So you should expect per example your P. Grandiflora to completly died out and produce many hibernacula in center and then at spring they opened up to grow again. The temperate Pinguicula forms hibernacula in order to distribute other Pinguicula when water moves the hibernacula around the ground

here an example of my D. Rotundiflolia waking up stages (as I couldn’t find my old pictures of P. Grandiflora tubernacula):

completey died out with hibernacula in center

waking up

note some seeds of D. Capensis got on the soil, they are all dead as they don’t survive winter and were not suppose to be there

Slowly becoming again ready to trap insects

 

[Carson Hardy]

Is your peat fully saturated?

 

[Zimmey]

Is your peat fully saturated?

Yes, I have been keeping a close eye on moisture, topping up the reservoirs every two days, and top water misting as well. The peat hasn't been soggy, but damp. We've had quite a bit of rain over the last 2 weeks as well.

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

I never mist my Pinguicula, only water from bottom. The rain could affect the Pinguicula mucus production and add more stress to the plant because it as to redo the mucus again and again.

 

[Lloyd Gordon]

Watering on the growth point tends to lead to rot.

 

[Carson Hardy]

I'm unsure what is going on.. when you got it from me it wasn't in flower spike yet, but, it has produced a spike, so should have been happy to some degree..

 

[Zimmey]

I'll keep an eye on them. They look a little better today. I'll stop top misting, just to make sure it isn't cuasing any issues.

I'm also planning on bringing one of the pings from Smilo inside so I can hopefully get it back to full health and possibly do leave pullings down the line to replenish the stock if needed.

A few days of nice weather might do everything some good, but looks like we are in for a week of rain. :\

 

[Olivera]

I'll keep an eye on them. They look a little better today. I'll stop top misting, just to make sure it isn't cuasing any issues.

I'm also planning on bringing one of the pings from Smilo inside so I can hopefully get it back to full health and possibly do leave pullings down the line to replenish the stock if needed.

A few days of nice weather might do everything some good, but looks like we are in for a week of rain. :\

I am total beginner and finding chalenging to find the right amount of water/lights in apt setting.
Good luck!

 

[Zimmey]

I bought one of these... https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/garden/planting/propagation/seed-starting/114042-propagation-tray-dome-grow-light-and-timer-set?item=99W9211

With 1/2" of water in the tray, and lots of lil 2" pots with holes in the bottom. So far everything is very very happy in there.

I also picked up a fan to keep the air moving.. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IJ2J2K0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anyway, there are many many better ways to do things, but this is a low rent easy entry way that has worked for me so far.

 

[Olivera]

I bought one of these... https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/garden/planting/propagation/seed-starting/114042-propagation-tray-dome-grow-light-and-timer-set?item=99W9211

With 1/2" of water in the tray, and lots of lil 2" pots with holes in the bottom. So far everything is very very happy in there.

I also picked up a fan to keep the air moving.. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IJ2J2K0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anyway, there are many many better ways to do things, but this is a low rent easy entry way that has worked for me so far.

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Thanks.

 

[Smilodonichthys]

I got some lovely pings from @Smilodonichthys but I lost one already (in the middle of the 3), and now the others seem to be unhappy in my outdoor bog.

I'm leaning toward bringing them inside and putting them under lights... the leaves are starting to look transparent with brown edges.

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The ping in the other barrel don't appear to be super happy either. We've had an unseasonably cold April.. just worried about losing them.

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Thoughts?

Everything else seems to be slowly coming out of dormancy nicely.. sundews are starting to open up, sarrs looks good, vft showing growth, everything else is showing some sign of growth.

I've tried to make sure the pings have a bit of shade via the Sarrs, and the spot south facing, with partial shade during the mid day, so they shouldn't be getting too much sun.

It looks like the new growth on the ones I gave you is healthy. Even the one that looks dead seems like it might be putting out a new leaf. Usually the older leaves don't senesce before the newer ones are fully emerged but it might just be getting used to your conditions.

Sometimes they can suffer from getting too wet where the leaves touch the substrate or if there is too much top watering. Try to just keep the substrate moist and stop top watering and see what happens. Same goes with the sphagnum I gave you. It shouldn't need top watering if the substrate is moist.

As long as there is enough moisture available to the roots they should be fine with lots of sun. Mine are in full sun for most of the day. In nature I have seen them growing in very exposed locations like rocky seeps in full alpine sun.

I really don't think you are doing anything overly wrong. All those should bounce back. If they end up kicking it I will just give you more. Next time as hibernacula that you can try in different spots and will come out of dormancy in your conditions and wont get the shock of a new place.

Same advice goes for the grandiflora.

 

[Zimmey]

Thanks mate. I will follow those instructions and see how it goes. It does look like some new growth is starting to come, just panicked when everything else seemed like it was really dropping away. They were in such beautiful condition when you gave them to me, which made me feel so bad.

 

[Smilodonichthys]

For temperate Pinguicula like your P. Grandiflora, they like a substrate that is less rocky like simply peat moss and perlite (same as Drosera Rotundifolia), they love acidic soil. Mexican Pinguicula love more rocky substrate like pumice,perlite,sand,etc.

The temperate Pinguicula should produce a cone-shaped hibernacula in order to rest and survive winter. Like the Drosera Rotundiflolia. So you should expect per example your P. Grandiflora to completly died out and produce many hibernacula in center and then at spring they opened up to grow again. The temperate Pinguicula forms hibernacula in order to distribute other Pinguicula when water moves the hibernacula around the ground

here an example of my D. Rotundiflolia waking up stages (as I couldn’t find my old pictures of P. Grandiflora tubernacula):

completey died out with hibernacula in center
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waking up

note some seeds of D. Capensis got on the soil, they are all dead as they don’t survive winter and were not suppose to be there

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Slowly becoming again ready to trap insects

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Many temperate ping growers do great with a completely inorganic fully mineral growing media. There might be a few species that wouldn't do well in it but as a general rule I'd say most would.

I disagree that grandiflora is particularly fond of acidic soils. In nature they are usually found in association with limestone in calcareous seeps. I grow mine directly on tufa and they thrive. Sure they can grow in acidic conditions but they don't need them to do well.

 

[Smilodonichthys]

Thanks mate. I will follow those instructions and see how it goes. It does look like some new growth is starting to come, just panicked when everything else seemed like it was really dropping away. They were in such beautiful condition when you gave them to me, which made me feel so bad.

Don't feel bad. Losing plants isn't fun but it happens. I killed a bunch of stuff when I was first starting out. Including all my flytraps that I left out on my deck during one of our rare nasty freezes. I heard they were fine in the minuses. Apparently they cant freeze and thaw and freeze and get blasted by cold dry wind. Lesson learned.

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

Pictures of P. Grandiflora tubernacula waking up, I found it this morning thru my thousand plants lolllll

So this is what it’s suppose to look when the Pinguicula had a dormancy, (everything dies except the tubernacula which formed during the dying process) and in spring it start again to produce the leafs

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

Many temperate ping growers do great with a completely inorganic fully mineral growing media. There might be a few species that wouldn't do well in it but as a general rule I'd say most would.

I disagree that grandiflora is particularly fond of acidic soils. In nature they are usually found in association with limestone in calcareous seeps. I grow mine directly on tufa and they thrive. Sure they can grow in acidic conditions but they don't need them to do well.

Yes I agree with you, my mistake, alkaline soil is better to improve growth and flowering after looking thru my bibles books

Thanks for your comment, I was in a hurry and wrote based on my production experience and you made me realize I was using peat bog location information and there’s other location where they grow like on limestone which is common. Temperate Pinguicula can grow on moss that is on top of limestone.

Pinguicula are very forgiving plants. Like most of Pinguicula they can grow on so many different soil. My friend was giving is P. Moranensis aquarium water with 350 ppm (TDS) and the plant was thriving.

I been producing many P. Grandiflora in classic peat and perlite mix. I will try adding limestone and I have a big bag of limestone powder and I was wondering what to do with it lolllll

Will let you know the results.

 

[Smilodonichthys]

Yes I agree with you, my mistake, alkaline soil is better to improve growth and flowering after looking thru my bibles books

Thanks for your comment, I was in a hurry and wrote based on my production experience and you made me realize I was using peat bog location information and there’s other location where they grow like on limestone which is common. Temperate Pinguicula can grow on moss that is on top of limestone.

Pinguicula are very forgiving plants. Like most of Pinguicula they can grow on so many different soil. My friend was giving is P. Moranensis aquarium water with 350 ppm (TDS) and the plant was thriving.

I been producing many P. Grandiflora in classic peat and perlite mix. I will try adding limestone and I have a big bag of limestone powder and I was wondering what to do with it lolllll

Will let you know the results.

Seems like the way you are growing them is working very well for you. I'm curious if adding limestone will produce better results. Please do let me know.

I am planning on getting many more temperate ping species and I am always interested to hear what experienced growers have to say. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

 

[Les serres de Paolo Inc.]

Seems like the way you are growing them is working very well for you. I'm curious if adding limestone will produce better results. Please do let me know.

I am planning on getting many more temperate ping species and I am always interested to hear what experienced growers have to say. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

your welcome!

Sure will let you know as soon as I have my new greenhouse operational. I will also add temperate Pinguicula in my research and development program on carnivorous plants. Many exciting things to come.