Sarracenia Flowers and Pollination

Lloyd Gordon

Parasitic Plant Aficionado
Staff member
I'm not sure that Vancouver is cold enough for cold stratification. There's no problem because you can cold stratify in the fridge.
I agree that perlite is a better choice. I'm coming around to avoiding silica sand (even with no impurities leaching out) for CP's.
Also if you're interested in Sarr's from seeds and want fancy ones, do both. Seeds are cheap, can get here from anywhere, and take time to grow, so now's the time to start. Also if you want to avoid cold stratification, you can use Gibberellic acid (GA3). Still cold stratification is fun.
 

daniella3d

Carnivorous Plant Addict
You can probably just put them outside and eventually they will stratify and sprout, but it will take a long time. It is best to stratify them in the gridge and plant them outside, but it will take a very long time to mature. they might take 6 or 7 years before they mature. Unless you plant them at proper distance, like 6 inches from each other, you will need to transplant them when they will grow too tight, but that will take a long time outside. I am impatient and I try to grow my sarracenias as fast as I can. I have one now that is 20 months old and producing its first flower. Vancouver is a great area for sarracenias. Lucky you!
 

Yokiebear

Sprout
OK, you got me thinking now but the wife nixed my seed buying plans, as she pointed out the rotting sourdough starter in the fridge, I just need to focus on the Oreo's for now and get fancier later. If I wait for these seedpods to form, will I have enough time to stratify, and sow them for planting outside next spring? What are the timelines like - kinda like a project plan with milestones?
 

Lloyd Gordon

Parasitic Plant Aficionado
Staff member
Sourdough should never go bad in the fridge, it will just gradually lose it's potency. You should be able to replenish it with 1 cup flour + 1.25 cups water (no chlorine-let it sit for 24 hours). If you've left it for months it may take a while to bubble up. If it only weakly bubbles, replenish it again. If it doesn't bubble after a week or so or starts to stink or discolour, it's dead.
 

daniella3d

Carnivorous Plant Addict
OK, you got me thinking now but the wife nixed my seed buying plans, as she pointed out the rotting sourdough starter in the fridge, I just need to focus on the Oreo's for now and get fancier later. If I wait for these seedpods to form, will I have enough time to stratify, and sow them for planting outside next spring? What are the timelines like - kinda like a project plan with milestones?
YOu need to leave the flower to mature on the plant, then cut if off in fall when it is brown. At some point the flower burst open and the seeds will drop, so try to collect them before that happen, then the flower turn brown. Then you can open the pod and collect the seeds. YOu can store them in the fridge, dry, in a ziplock. YOu can start to stratify them in a moist paper towel 6 weeks before planting, so around begining of march maybe in your area, so middle of april you can plant the seeds outside. YOu should see the seedlings starting to sprout in about 10 days. Not sure the success rate outside, because they are tiny and kind of fragile, so the heavy rain might just destroy them. I always start mine inside, so I don't know how it's going to work outside, plus they need a good humidity level and good light, so not sure how you're going to keep the humidity and good light without toasting them under the sun. If you put them in the sun, and if they are covered to keep humidity, the temperature is going to rise too high. If you keep them outside without cover, the rain is going to destroy them or they will dry. That's why I like artificial light to start them.
 

Yokiebear

Sprout
Sourdough should never go bad in the fridge, it will just gradually lose it's potency. You should be able to replenish it with 1 cup flour + 1.25 cups water (no chlorine-let it sit for 24 hours). If you've left it for months it may take a while to bubble up. If it only weakly bubbles, replenish it again. If it doesn't bubble after a week or so or starts to stink or discolour, it's dead.
I'm a very bad baker - that's why the wife does all the baking and I do all the BBQ'ing. I've looked in the fridge and it looks grey and watery and I am afraid to open the container. :eek:
 

Yokiebear

Sprout
Wait, I am a little confused on what to expect on the sequence of events. So to cut it off, I need to wait until the flower is brown but before the seed pods split open? Then I can split it open and collect the seeds, right? With 25 flower heads how many seeds can I reasonably expect to harvest if it all goes well?

OK, I am coming around to stratifying them in the freezer since it doesn't take up any space and it seems pretty simple. If I do want to start some in the dead of winter after stratifying them for six weeks how "heavy duty" of an artificial light do I need?
I do have one of these Amazon indoor grow lamp/wands - is that too weak?

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daniella3d

Carnivorous Plant Addict
I am not sure when exactly the flowers will be mature enough to collect the seeds, end of september? not sure. the flowers will dry up and become brown. You don't put them to stratify in the freezer, but in the fridge. They must not freeze. If you have 25 flowers, you might end up with thousands of seeds. Since fresh seeds produce a good germination rate, sometimes 90% or more, and each pod can produce hundred of seeds, it is probably not a good idea to put all those seeds, especially that you would end up with thousands of very similar looking plants. What will you do with them? destroy them? compost? that's sad. It is best to use only what you can take care of, because beleive me, there can be many. I have around 600 seedlings in my 2 grow tent. I never destroyed any, because I don't like the idea of destroying a healthy sarracenia. I will sell a lot of them, but will keep them until I do sell them. This year I have decided not to buy seeds because I cannot take care of more sarracenias, no more room.

Some people sow thousands of seeds, only to keep 80 or so. That's thousands of healthy plants destroyed for nothing. It's very hard to judge the how a sarracenia will look like until it produce its more mature pitchers, which can take a year or more.
 

daniella3d

Carnivorous Plant Addict
I suggest this kit, it come with a T5HO light and a humidity dome. Remember that the pots will need to rest in water, one inch maybe, at all time. Little seedlings need a high humidity when germinating. They also have a LED kit which is also very good. If it is on the cold side in your house in winter, it is best to also buy a heat mat to put underneath the tray.

 

Lloyd Gordon

Parasitic Plant Aficionado
Staff member
Some of my seed pods aren't mature until November or December.
I've had a high germination rate outside in late spring when the humidity wasn't particularly high. The soil was always moist though.
 
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